[Gaviotas] Visit?

Arlie Haig ajhaig at sonic.net
Wed Jan 14 02:11:06 CST 2009 

I don't know if you all have seen the post by Friends of Gaviotas where this 
link was given (http://www.friendsofgaviotas.org/FAQ)
The FAQ said about visits:

To make it possible for interested people to visit safely, Friends of 
Gaviotas is working with Gaviotas to organize annual trips beginning in 
2011. The planned week-long trips would be offered once a year, in February 
(dry season), for up to 30 people, and would include:


  1.. .a stay in Bogota, touring Gaviotas installations in the city, visit 
the Gaviotas office there (workshop and biodiesel plant on site), meals and 
conversation with founder Paolo Lugari and others,


  2.. .a stay near Gaviotas with a day trip to Gaviotas (no overnights 
there, given the current public order situation), meals/chats with the 
villagers, visit common buildings, factory, and - of course - the forest,


  3.. .optional add-ons to other innovative projects in Colombia,


  4.. .a $500 contribution (per traveler) to pay for the planting and upkeep 
of one additional acre (per traveler) of Gaviotas forest (a carbon offset)


Friends of Gaviotas will not profit from organizing these trips, but still, 
they won't be cheap. Getting to Gaviotas requires a chartered plane flight 
and possibly (what's the situation on the ground?) a government escort. 
Based on a trial in 2005, we estimate a cost per participant of $1,900 
(includes the $500 above, but not your roundtrip from your home to Bogota). 
We will send a heads-up to our list when we are ready to take deposits for 
the first 30 travelers.


If you travel independently and are more risk-tolerant, you could just show 
up and would not be turned away. But please don't expect the Gaviotas Bogotá 
office to give you directions and help you get there, as they don't want to 
play a part in putting you in danger.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrés Felipe Celis Salazar" <afcelis at hotmail.com>
To: <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Visit?


>
>
> Zak:
>
> many thanks for your message. i´ll keep you informed if anything happens. 
> i´m a curious person, although "useless" for a project like this. i used 
> to be a lawyer, who doesn´t believe in the law anymore. still, i´m curious 
> and fast learner if i have the proper teacher.
>
> regarding colombia and the US department travel agency: colombia is not as 
> bad as they portrait it, although we have some very serious issues here, 
> it would be silly to deny them, specially in the internet era, where 
> everyone can check for himself. but is not as bad as they want to make it 
> look. i´m living proof of it.
>
> regards. "El presente es un caos, pero el futuro me pertenece" Nikola 
> Tesla. > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:03:54 -0500> From: zakkai at gmail.com> 
> To: gaviotas at greenbuilder.com> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Visit?> > 
> Andres-please keep us posted if you find a way to get in touch or get> 
> visiting rights. I've also been trying to get to visit for a long time. I> 
> actually had a wild fantasy to set up a program there through my college 
> in> Massachusetts (which Gaviotas probably would have declined), but my 
> school> said it was impossible because of the US State Department travel 
> advisory> warning on Colombia. I would go despite the risks.> > On Tue, 
> Jan 13, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Andrés Felipe Celis Salazar <> 
> afcelis at hotmail.com> wrote:> > >> >> > Thanks> > "El presente es un caos, 
> pero el futuro me pertenece" Nikola Tesla. > Date:> > Tue, 13 Jan 2009 
> 13:39:00 -0600> To: gaviotas at greenbuilder.com> From:> > 
> billc_lists at greenbuilder.com> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Visit?> > Andrés,> 
>  >> > As far as I can tell, no current residents of Las > Gaviotas are on 
> this> > list. There is (or was) a > former resident on here for a while.> 
>  > You're> > in a better position than most of us, > being in Bogotá. You 
> can visit their> > office in > your city.> > >From a post to this list on 
> June 25:> > The fax> > number at Centros las Gaviotas is 281 > 1803 - A. 
> A. 18261 (you'll need to> > look up > country code and I'm not sure what 
> the AA part > is....maybe an> > extension?)> > There is a string of 
> numbers on Paolo's business > card after> > the abbreviation "Conm:" these 
> may > be three different phone numbers or one> > code of > some sort, but 
> this is what it looks like:> > Conm: 282 5996 - 341> > 9967 - 286 2876> > 
>  > > See the archives of this list for more contact >> > details. If I 
> recall the address and other > details were discussed within> > recent 
> memory.> > > > At 7:19 PM +0000 1/13/09, Andrés Felipe Celis Salazar> > 
> wrote:> >> >i live in bogotá-colombia. but still gaviotas is > >quite far> 
>  > from here, eventhough is in the same > >country.> >> >i don´t 
> understand> > this email system. i never > >get replies from gaviotas, but 
> from (very> > kind) > >people interested in it, but not involved > 
>  >directly in it.> >>> > >still, there are some other groups or places > 
>  >with proyects or visions> > kind of similar to > >gaviotas.> >> > > -- > 
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