[Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals

Fri Nov 21 09:40:27 CST 2008

Alvaro, thanks for what you're doing with the documents.  I appreciate and respect your sentiments for obtaining approval as I have had the same dilemma for a couple of years until I spoke with Paolo in Philly.  You should do what you feel is right, of course.  However, I would agree with Dave on this one.  Anyway, thanks again for your efforts.  I'm anxious to see the results. Feliz el viernes y salud!     Dave Dingman  > From: pinefarm at uniontel.net> To: gaviotas at greenbuilder.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:04:27 -0600> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals> > Actually, I doubt that you need approval. You are not releasing anything. > All you are doing is translating an already released document. Dave> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alvaro Gutierrez" <agutierrez at aidmanagers.org>> To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their > technologies, philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:55 PM> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals> > > No David.... As it is a material from Gaviotas, I need to send it first to> obtain approval... sorry for the delay> > --------------------------------------------------> From: "Dave Johnson" <pinefarm at uniontel.net>> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 AM> To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their> technologies,  philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals> >> Did I miss it?  Dave Johnson>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alvaro Gutierrez" <agutierrez at aidmanagers.org>>> To: "Gaviotas' Discussion" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:47 PM>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals>>>>>> I am preparing a English translation for those that don't understand the>> 'fuzzy' Gaviotas documents, and the first document will be ready next>> Monday. I will>> send it using the discussion e-mail.>>>> My opinion about the Gaviotas Pump compared to the rest of the world >> pumps,>> is very simple.... As Gaviotas developed it using very common materials, >> it>> is available at very low cost.  If you compare the cost / benefit in the>> Gaviotas pump, you can see that the relation is better than the Paolo's>> description.>>>> You have to see the full system as one, not only the piston pump. The idea>> of the Gaviotas pump is to use in a better way, the wind to pump water....>> at a very low cost.... with a device that is very easy to install in >> remote>> sites... without the requirement of technicians or/and experts.>>>> If the pump works as conventional or like one of the  expensive system>> available in developed countries... is not the important idea in this>> case. Technology available in  non developed countries is one of the nice>> steps of Gaviotas.>>>> Best Regards>>>> Alvaro Gutierrez>> Projects Manager & development consultant>> Africa Development Managers Ltd>> East Africa,  Kenya>> www.aidmanagers.org>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------->> From: "Dave Johnson" <pinefarm at uniontel.net>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:29 PM>> To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their>> technologies,  philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals>>>>> Between the fuzzy pictues and my fuzzy Spanish, I can't be sure of what>>> the manual is describing but, it surely looks to me like what they have >>> is>>> a galvanized "sleeve" that they are screwing onto the end of a PCV pipe.>>> They are also insering a "tiro [piston?] rod inside the piping. I see no>>> indication that the pump is anything but a piston pump like those that >>> are>>> found all over the world. You pump the handle, the piston moves inside >>> the>>> cylinder and water is pumped. It is great that they introduced them where>>> they were needed but, the design is conventional. Because the pump is at>>> the bottom of the piping, it can pump from any depth. That is also>>> conventional. Why Weisman made up his fantastic story is beyond me. Maybe>>> someone used him and he wasn't technical enough to see thru it. I think>>> that Paulo got stuck with it and then stonewalls when it comes to >>> actually>>> letting anyone see the pump. Pauli says it is 4 times as efficient as any>>> existing pump. That's bullshit. He should apologize. Dave Johnson>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bren Eifler" <breneifler at gmail.com>>>> To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their>>> technologies, philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:57 AM>>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals>>>>>>>>> Thanks for this! I've been looking for the Gaviotas windmill manual>>> everywhere -- The community has been testing dozens of  windmill designs>>> and>>> apparently this is the most effective and efficient design they've found.>>>>>> Bren>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Arlie Haig <ajhaig at sonic.net> wrote:>>>>>>> That is so easy to find & deal with - Thanks for fending off your robots>>>> and doing that ->>>> Arlie>>>> www.ticoOrganico.com>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex hornstein" <enjrolas at MIT.EDU>>>>> To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their>>>> technologies, philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:24 PM>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals>>>>>>>>>>>>  OK, let's try this out:>>>>>>>>>> I made an account on scribd, a public document sharing service.>>>>>>>>>> You can download documents easily just by going to:>>>>> http://www.scribd.com/people/view/4525314-gaviotas>>>>>>>>>> to upload documents, go to scribd.com and log in with>>>>> username:  gaviotas>>>>> password:  seagulls>>>>> there's an upload button at the top of the page.  Click on it, then>>>>> click the button that says 'Choose files'.  Select the file(s) you>>>>> want to upload(you can select multiple files by holding down>>>>> "Control" while you click them, or the apple key on a mac).  After>>>>> the files upload, you are given the option to change their name and>>>>> enter a description.  Please take a second and give them a>>>>> descriptive name--this will make it way way easier for other people>>>>> to search and use whatever files we put up there.  Click 'save' and>>>>> then you're done!  Everyone in the world can see what you just>>>>> uploaded!  Hooray!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, let's see if this works.  Let me know if y'all have any trouble.>>>>> You can also send me files and I'll upload them for you, if for any>>>>> reason this is difficult for you (although please upload them>>>>> yourself if you can.  I'm surrounded by some very jealous robots that>>>>> want all my attention)>>>>>>>>>> --me>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talvez, TALVEZ, puedo traducir estes direcciones a espanol, pero>>>>> tengo miedo que sera terrible para alguien que pruebaria leerlos.  Si>>>>> alguien no los entiende, mandame un email o pide a la lista.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Sebastian Hesse wrote:>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks! :-)>>>>>>>>>>>> That´s what was needed!>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.11.2008 um 23:54 schrieb enjrolas at MIT.EDU:>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hello,>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have my own server (nublabs.org) and plenty of space and>>>>>>> bandwidth.  I'm>>>>>>> offering to host the manuals.  Would that help out?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --alex>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting Jeinny Solis S <jsolis at digilibro.com>:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I have the same problem a s other, there's no link to the>>>>>>>> gaviotas conference list, and the initial link doesnt work for me>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm attaching a screen image of what I see when I  access the site>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------->>>>>>>> Atentamente>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeinny Solis S.>>>>>>>> Directora de Producción>>>>>>>> digiLibro: La solución completa en publicación digital>>>>>>>> Tels/Fax: +52 (55)5824-9628>>>>>>>> E-mail: jsolis at digilibro.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite nuestra página Web:  www.digilibro.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ******************************>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Dingman escribió:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what else to say.  I have tried it on 3 computers>>>>>>>>> (1 MacBook, 1 Dell laptop, 1 Mac) with 3 different browsers>>>>>>>>> (Safari, Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox) and I have not>>>>>>>>> experienced any difficulties whatsoever.  So, the problems are>>>>>>>>> surprising to me.  I see that you have given up, but if I may>>>>>>>>> ask, did you click on the edit my conference list link?  That>>>>>>>>> may be a way to connect to it.  I'm sure that Katherine can help>>>>>>>>> shed more light on the matter as she is available to.  Is anyone>>>>>>>>> else still experiencing this problem?  Dave Dingman    > From:>>>>>>>>> ajhaig at sonic.net> To: gaviotas at greenbuilder.com> Date: Wed, 12>>>>>>>>> Nov 2008 08:49:49 -0800> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the>>>>>>>>> Manuals>> Thanks for the detailed steps. However, as many times>>>>>>>>> as I have followed the> steps, the link to Gaviotas just>>>>>>>>> doesn't appear in either Firefox or IE> browser. Here is all>>>>>>>>> the text that shows in that area of my screen:> My>>>>>>>>> Conferences:   read all new discussion, or edit my conference list>>>>>>>>> .> Conference name:     # of Items with> New discussion>>>>>>>>> community discussion Demonstration 5>> I will now give up.>>>>>>>>>> Arlie>> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Dave Dingman">>>>>>>>> <dave_dingman at hotmail.com>> To: <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:42 AM> Subject: [Gaviotas]>>>>>>>>> Finding the Manuals>>>>>> I will try to reiterate Katherine's>>>>>>>>> directions for finding the location of>> the manuals.  Step 1:>>>>>>>>> If you do not already have a username and password>> for the>>>>>>>>> peakinsight.com site, you will need to email Katherine Holt your>>>>>>>>>>> name and email address.  It's free and she won't spam you.>>>>>>>>> Unless you ask>> her to, I suppose.  Step 2: Once you have a>>>>>>>>> username and password, type>> this address in your browser:>>>>>>>>> http://peakinsight.gjhost.com  (please note>> the absence of>>>>>>>>> "www")Step 3: On the bottom left-hand side of the page,>> below>>>>>>>>> the big box labeled Community Forums, you will find a>>>>>>>>> "Conference>> List" with a link to the Gaviotas discussion f>>>>>>>>> orum.  Click the word>> Gaviotas (will be highlighted in blue)>>>>>>>>> Step 4: This is the main Gaviotas>> forum page.  At the top of>>>>>>>>> the page, there is a large box with the>> Gaviotas logo.>>>>>>>>> Inside this box, there is a link to the "Resources">> section.>>>>>>>>> Click on the word Resources (will be highlighted in blue).Step>>>>>>>>>>> 5: This is the Gaviotas Resources page.  You should see a>>>>>>>>>>> white box near the top of the page with a listing of the>>>>>>>>> resources>> available.  Click on the one titled, "Las Gaviotas>>>>>>>>> Bomba de Camisa".>> Click on it.  This is the manual as a>>>>>>>>> powerpoint.  It should automatically>> download and open onto>>>>>>>>> your computer.  I hope this helps.  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