[Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals

Thu Nov 20 22:55:31 CST 2008

No David.... As it is a material from Gaviotas, I need to send it first to 
obtain approval... sorry for the delay

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From: "Dave Johnson" <pinefarm at uniontel.net>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 AM
To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their 
technologies,  philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals

> Did I miss it?  Dave Johnson
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alvaro Gutierrez" <agutierrez at aidmanagers.org>
> To: "Gaviotas' Discussion" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals
>
>
> I am preparing a English translation for those that don't understand the
> 'fuzzy' Gaviotas documents, and the first document will be ready next
> Monday. I will
> send it using the discussion e-mail.
>
> My opinion about the Gaviotas Pump compared to the rest of the world 
> pumps,
> is very simple.... As Gaviotas developed it using very common materials, 
> it
> is available at very low cost.  If you compare the cost / benefit in the
> Gaviotas pump, you can see that the relation is better than the Paolo's
> description.
>
> You have to see the full system as one, not only the piston pump. The idea
> of the Gaviotas pump is to use in a better way, the wind to pump water....
> at a very low cost.... with a device that is very easy to install in 
> remote
> sites... without the requirement of technicians or/and experts.
>
> If the pump works as conventional or like one of the  expensive system
> available in developed countries... is not the important idea in this
> case. Technology available in  non developed countries is one of the nice
> steps of Gaviotas.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alvaro Gutierrez
> Projects Manager & development consultant
> Africa Development Managers Ltd
> East Africa,  Kenya
> www.aidmanagers.org
>
>
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> From: "Dave Johnson" <pinefarm at uniontel.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:29 PM
> To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
> technologies,  philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals
>
>> Between the fuzzy pictues and my fuzzy Spanish, I can't be sure of what
>> the manual is describing but, it surely looks to me like what they have 
>> is
>> a galvanized "sleeve" that they are screwing onto the end of a PCV pipe.
>> They are also insering a "tiro [piston?] rod inside the piping. I see no
>> indication that the pump is anything but a piston pump like those that 
>> are
>> found all over the world. You pump the handle, the piston moves inside 
>> the
>> cylinder and water is pumped. It is great that they introduced them where
>> they were needed but, the design is conventional. Because the pump is at
>> the bottom of the piping, it can pump from any depth. That is also
>> conventional. Why Weisman made up his fantastic story is beyond me. Maybe
>> someone used him and he wasn't technical enough to see thru it. I think
>> that Paulo got stuck with it and then stonewalls when it comes to 
>> actually
>> letting anyone see the pump. Pauli says it is 4 times as efficient as any
>> existing pump. That's bullshit. He should apologize. Dave Johnson
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bren Eifler" <breneifler at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
>> technologies, philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals
>>
>>
>> Thanks for this! I've been looking for the Gaviotas windmill manual
>> everywhere -- The community has been testing dozens of  windmill designs
>> and
>> apparently this is the most effective and efficient design they've found.
>>
>> Bren
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Arlie Haig <ajhaig at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That is so easy to find & deal with - Thanks for fending off your robots
>>> and doing that -
>>> Arlie
>>> www.ticoOrganico.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex hornstein" <enjrolas at MIT.EDU>
>>> To: "Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
>>> technologies, philosophy, etc" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:24 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the Manuals
>>>
>>>
>>>  OK, let's try this out:
>>>>
>>>> I made an account on scribd, a public document sharing service.
>>>>
>>>> You can download documents easily just by going to:
>>>> http://www.scribd.com/people/view/4525314-gaviotas
>>>>
>>>> to upload documents, go to scribd.com and log in with
>>>> username:  gaviotas
>>>> password:  seagulls
>>>> there's an upload button at the top of the page.  Click on it, then
>>>> click the button that says 'Choose files'.  Select the file(s) you
>>>> want to upload(you can select multiple files by holding down
>>>> "Control" while you click them, or the apple key on a mac).  After
>>>> the files upload, you are given the option to change their name and
>>>> enter a description.  Please take a second and give them a
>>>> descriptive name--this will make it way way easier for other people
>>>> to search and use whatever files we put up there.  Click 'save' and
>>>> then you're done!  Everyone in the world can see what you just
>>>> uploaded!  Hooray!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, let's see if this works.  Let me know if y'all have any trouble.
>>>> You can also send me files and I'll upload them for you, if for any
>>>> reason this is difficult for you (although please upload them
>>>> yourself if you can.  I'm surrounded by some very jealous robots that
>>>> want all my attention)
>>>>
>>>> --me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> talvez, TALVEZ, puedo traducir estes direcciones a espanol, pero
>>>> tengo miedo que sera terrible para alguien que pruebaria leerlos.  Si
>>>> alguien no los entiende, mandame un email o pide a la lista.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 12, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Sebastian Hesse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> That´s what was needed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 12.11.2008 um 23:54 schrieb enjrolas at MIT.EDU:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have my own server (nublabs.org) and plenty of space and
>>>>>> bandwidth.  I'm
>>>>>> offering to host the manuals.  Would that help out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting Jeinny Solis S <jsolis at digilibro.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I have the same problem a s other, there's no link to the
>>>>>>> gaviotas conference list, and the initial link doesnt work for me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm attaching a screen image of what I see when I  access the site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> Atentamente
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeinny Solis S.
>>>>>>> Directora de Producción
>>>>>>> digiLibro: La solución completa en publicación digital
>>>>>>> Tels/Fax: +52 (55)5824-9628
>>>>>>> E-mail: jsolis at digilibro.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Visite nuestra página Web:  www.digilibro.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave Dingman escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know what else to say.  I have tried it on 3 computers
>>>>>>>> (1 MacBook, 1 Dell laptop, 1 Mac) with 3 different browsers
>>>>>>>> (Safari, Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox) and I have not
>>>>>>>> experienced any difficulties whatsoever.  So, the problems are
>>>>>>>> surprising to me.  I see that you have given up, but if I may
>>>>>>>> ask, did you click on the edit my conference list link?  That
>>>>>>>> may be a way to connect to it.  I'm sure that Katherine can help
>>>>>>>> shed more light on the matter as she is available to.  Is anyone
>>>>>>>> else still experiencing this problem?  Dave Dingman     > From:
>>>>>>>> ajhaig at sonic.net> To: gaviotas at greenbuilder.com> Date: Wed, 12
>>>>>>>> Nov 2008 08:49:49 -0800> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Finding the
>>>>>>>> Manuals> > Thanks for the detailed steps. However, as many times
>>>>>>>> as I have followed the > steps, the link to Gaviotas just
>>>>>>>> doesn't appear in either Firefox or IE > browser. Here is all
>>>>>>>> the text that shows in that area of my screen:> My
>>>>>>>> Conferences:   read all new discussion, or edit my conference list
>>>>>>>> . > Conference name:     # of Items with> New discussion
>>>>>>>> community discussion Demonstration 5> > I will now give up.>
>>>>>>>> Arlie> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Dingman"
>>>>>>>> <dave_dingman at hotmail.com>> To: <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:42 AM> Subject: [Gaviotas]
>>>>>>>> Finding the Manuals> > >>>> I will try to reiterate Katherine's
>>>>>>>> directions for finding the location of >> the manuals.  Step 1:
>>>>>>>> If you do not already have a username and password >> for the
>>>>>>>> peakinsight.com site, you will need to email Katherine Holt your
>>>>>>>> >> name and email address.  It's free and she won't spam you.
>>>>>>>> Unless you ask >> her to, I suppose.  Step 2: Once you have a
>>>>>>>> username and password, type >> this address in your browser:
>>>>>>>> http://peakinsight.gjhost.com  (please note >> the absence of
>>>>>>>> "www")Step 3: On the bottom left-hand side of the page, >> below
>>>>>>>> the big box labeled Community Forums, you will find a
>>>>>>>> "Conference >> List" with a link to the Gaviotas discussion f
>>>>>>>> orum.  Click the word >> Gaviotas (will be highlighted in blue)
>>>>>>>> Step 4: This is the main Gaviotas >> forum page.  At the top of
>>>>>>>> the page, there is a large box with the >> Gaviotas logo.
>>>>>>>> Inside this box, there is a link to the "Resources" >> section.
>>>>>>>> Click on the word Resources (will be highlighted in blue).Step
>>>>>>>> >> 5: This is the Gaviotas Resources page.  You should see a>>
>>>>>>>> white box near the top of the page with a listing of the
>>>>>>>> resources >> available.  Click on the one titled, "Las Gaviotas
>>>>>>>> Bomba de Camisa". >> Click on it.  This is the manual as a
>>>>>>>> powerpoint.  It should automatically >> download and open onto
>>>>>>>> your computer.  I hope this helps.  Dave Dingman>>
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