[Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!

Katherine Holt katherine at peakinsight.com
Wed Nov 5 10:48:15 CST 2008 

The pump has come up in previous discussions on this listserv. They make
several hundred each year, charging US$100 (maybe more now) plus
shipping.

Here is a PDF in Spanish that someone found, along with a
comment/translation supplied by Dave Dingman back in 2006:
www.ucv.ve/cenamb/siamaz/SPT-TCA-VEN-66.pdf  

Originally posted to Gaviotas Listserv by Dave Dingman
<dave_dingman at hotmail.com> on Sunday, September 24, 2006:  
Hello to everyone in this discussion,  

I appreciate very much all the work you are doing to solve the mystery
of the Gaviotas sleeve-pump. 
Having been there myself, and unable to convince skeptics of its
existence, I have since given up on trying to help on this topic.
However, recent greenbuilder.com inquiries containing a link to the
159-page document containing notes on specific Las Gaviotas
technologies, among other nice inventions used in the Amaozonian region,
has once again peaked my interest in this discussion.  While, I am
certainly not an engineer, who would be capable of supplying a detailed
opinion on the viability of such technology, I am a fairly good
researcher capable of knowing how to get the answers I am looking for.
It is to this effect that I would like to try and contribute to this
discussion.  It seems evident to me that there is a need to have this
document translated.  Rather than waiting several months for someone to
get back to me about this, I took the time to use a free translation
service 
online (www. freetranslation.com).  Because I am using its free service,
there will be some small gramatical errors, but it will offer the gist
of what the document says.  Likewise, a simple cut and paste process
from the 
document to the text translation section of the website will complete
this process.  I have tried to translate it as a webpage, however, the
website does not support pdf formats.  In this case, I copied and pasted
the specific section relating to the sleeve-pump into the text  section.
This should work for any section of the document you may be curious
about.  I would also reccommend that you do this by section to limit the
amount of text for each translation.  Good Luck.  

The translation I received for the sleeve-pump section is as follows: 
(please remember that bomb is also Spanish for pump)  

IV.4.9 manual Bomb of shirt Seagulls A piston-valve-fixed is driven
inside an oscillating cylinder by effect of the manual lever.  The
movement of the cylinder (shirt) force the water through the piston and
is pumped to distance without packings existing or seals that can erode.
For pump to long distance 2 bombs are installed commonly in tandem and
they are operated phased out 180 .  Appropriate technologies and
Apropiables of Construction, Saneamiento Basic and Energies
Alternatives:  30 Amazon Experiences as Base for the Creation of the
Network of Appropriate Technologies of the Amazonia This bomb has been
utilized en masse inside installation programs of small supplies of
water financed by UNDRO and Program of United Nations (PNUD) in
Colombia.  Susceptible pieces of spare:  The treated leather packing
replacement costs US$ 1.5.  The replacement of valve inoxidable costs
US$ 15.00.  Typical installation of pump to long distance Capacity The
Seagulls 
Shirt Bomb extracts and carries to distance some 1.000 liters of water
for hour.  In some occasions it is utilized for 12 or more daily hours.
In 30 seconds of pump replaces a typical trip of 1 hour to the river or
the source of water.  

Advantages   High confiabilidad, strong production.    Design that
employs the muscles of the body instead of the of the arm and the hand.
It Designed ergonomically for to be utilized by children and women.
Does Not have seals that erode.    It can be armed and disarmed by means
of simple tools.    Its capacity to pump to distance permits a recovery
of the extremely fast investment.  

Disadvantages   The cost is relatively high.    The well is difficult to
seal owed al movement of the shoulder straps of the shirt.    In the
pumps to great distance requires tubing of iron or vinyl due to that are
produced 
large dynamics you force.  

I hope this helps speed things along... and I will second what Robert
Schorlemmer has previously stated in his response to these inquiries. 
Should you be successful in achieving one of these, perhaps you should
thank Las Gaviotas for not patenting their inventions and pay them moral
royalties.  Seriously.  

One last note on this topic... I also have the manual publication for
the pump that was printed in the 1980's.  Should anyone else have a copy
of it, the same process of translation should work.  

Dave Dingman 



-----Original Message-----
From: gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com
[mailto:gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:30 AM
To: Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
technologies, philosophy, etc
Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!


Would you have any idea what the buisness end looks like?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katherine Holt" <katherine at peakinsight.com>
To: "'Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their 
technologies, philosophy, etc'" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!


>I have been to Gaviotas and have seen/used one of the sleeve pumps. It

>truly is a marvel. I could operate it with my fingertips - unlike the  
>pump I had to use in northern Minnesota which took an enormous amount 
>of  effort.
>
> Katherine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com 
> [mailto:gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:35 PM
> To: Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their 
> technologies, philosophy, etc
> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>
>
> But, it is a dumb idea. That's why nobody in the hundreds of years 
> reciprocating pumps have been around has ever built one where the 
> sleeve
>
> moves and the plunger is stationary. I'll bet you nobody at Gaviotas 
> ever made one either and that's why we've never seen one from there. I

> think Weisman was either taken in or he just got it wrong. Lugari 
> should either
> admit the pump is a hoax or produce one. He's done neither to my
> knowledge.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Caleb Frase" <CalebFrase at communityproducts.com>
> To: "'Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
> technologies, philosophy, etc'" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>
>
>> Dave Johnson
>> A pump is a pump, I have to say that the sleeve pump concept is easy 
>> enough to imagine for anyone with a little practical background. A
> friend
>> of mine built a very effective pump using PVC pipe and wooden 
>> plungers
>
>> with leather seals. It was powered by a see-saw motion, done with two
> hand
>> levers at shoulder height. I thought it was a great concept and
> suggested
>> that he expand it and create a stepper and a bike. The potential to 
>> do
>
>> something useful while burning calories seemed attractive. Deriding 
>> ideas as being dumb doesn't help anyone. -Caleb
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com 
>> [mailto:gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com]On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:22 PM
>> To: Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their 
>> technologies, philosophy, etc
>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>>
>>
>> His argument falls short when it is applied to the so called 
>> inventions of Gaviotas, especially to the "sleeve pump". A pump is a 
>> pump. If it works one place, it will work almost any place and yet 
>> nobody in the years since the book came out has ever seen one, not 
>> even detailed plans for one. It is a dumb idea and I doubt that there

>> is or ever was any such thing.  Dave Johnson
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Heath Synnestvedt" <thapeloheath at gmail.com>
>> To: <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:21 PM
>> Subject: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>>
>>
>>> Welcome!
>>> I don't speak French (yet) though i was born in Canada. Yo si 
>>> aprendi
>
>>> espanol en sudamerica, pero aqui en esta lista se usa primeramente 
>>> el
>
>>> Ingles. Like you i was captivated by Alan Weisman's book, and this 
>>> past May i had the privilege of meeting Paulo Lugari in 
>>> Philadelphia. Your paragraph below:
>>>>Pienso tambien que necesitamos inventar para el nuevo siglo, un tipo

>>>>de
>>> sociedad diferente. Una communedad como Gaviotas, aunque no siendo 
>>> la
>
>>> unica de este tipo, represente un modelo interesante de experimento.

>>> ...represents a beautiful accord with what i heard Sr. Lugari 
>>> emphasizing in his lectures and conversations: The current state of 
>>> human
> development
>>> on
>>> this planet is at a point where wake-up calls are well worth acting
> upon,
>>> and Gaviotas is just one model of a community creating itself as a 
>>> distinct organism separate from the prevailing (unhealthy) trends.
>>>  A great number of the questions asked of this man were of what
>>> recommendations he would make for this or that situation. His
> consistent
>>> answer came with a good-humored smile. Gaviotas came into being in
> the
>>> desolate tropical plains of a country at war with itself. How to 
>>> replicate the way Gaviotas operates in Philadelphia? The specific 
>>> solutions do
> not
>>> apply in this context. It is the model of respecting everyone's 
>>> contribution, decentralization of power and authority and the
> creative
>>> generation of local solutions to local challenges: this is what he
> urges
>>> us
>>> to do. Sr. Lugari assures us that although he is seen as the
> mouthpiece
>>> for
>>> Gaviotas and he was instrumental in founding it, he is an ordinary
> member
>>> of
>>> the group, not it's head or leader. "Leaders are for mediocre
> societies,"
>>> he
>>> said on a Sunday session.
>>>
>>> Lest i get shunned or worse (it is voting day tomorrow here in the
>>> U.S.) allow me to say that i love taking direction from someone i 
>>> really deeply respect, and i enjoy asking people to do things too. 
>>> On
>
>>> principle, then, I don't see this as a mark of a mediocre society as

>>> it would seem Lugari is saying. Where it really rings true to me is 
>>> when force or threats of violence are employed by a leader to coerce

>>> those who follow. Then, surely, it is a mediocre society at best.
>>>
>>> This list is as you heard a great place to come into contact with 
>>> people who are in this field of renewable energy systems. I am 
>>> currently more of a student of life, love and wisdom than a 
>>> professional in any field, but i have met several of those on here 
>>> too! I suggest putting out a simplified resume/vision message on 
>>> here
>
>>> that may attract the attention of someone looking for a graduate of 
>>> such a program as you have been doing. There are countless 
>>> opportunities available! Be specific and the right one will
>
>>> open
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> Be well,
>>> Heath Emanuel Synnestvedt
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