[Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!

Wed Nov 5 10:29:58 CST 2008

Would you have any idea what the buisness end looks like?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katherine Holt" <katherine at peakinsight.com>
To: "'Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their 
technologies, philosophy, etc'" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!

>I have been to Gaviotas and have seen/used one of the sleeve pumps. It
> truly is a marvel. I could operate it with my fingertips - unlike the
> pump I had to use in northern Minnesota which took an enormous amount of
> effort.
>
> Katherine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com
> [mailto:gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:35 PM
> To: Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
> technologies, philosophy, etc
> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>
>
> But, it is a dumb idea. That's why nobody in the hundreds of years
> reciprocating pumps have been around has ever built one where the sleeve
>
> moves and the plunger is stationary. I'll bet you nobody at Gaviotas
> ever
> made one either and that's why we've never seen one from there. I think
> Weisman was either taken in or he just got it wrong. Lugari should
> either
> admit the pump is a hoax or produce one. He's done neither to my
> knowledge.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Caleb Frase" <CalebFrase at communityproducts.com>
> To: "'Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
> technologies, philosophy, etc'" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>
>
>> Dave Johnson
>> A pump is a pump, I have to say that the sleeve pump concept is easy
>> enough to imagine for anyone with a little practical background. A
> friend
>> of mine built a very effective pump using PVC pipe and wooden plungers
>
>> with leather seals. It was powered by a see-saw motion, done with two
> hand
>> levers at shoulder height. I thought it was a great concept and
> suggested
>> that he expand it and create a stepper and a bike. The potential to do
>
>> something useful while burning calories seemed attractive.
>> Deriding ideas as being dumb doesn't help anyone.
>> -Caleb
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com
>> [mailto:gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com]On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:22 PM
>> To: Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
>> technologies, philosophy, etc
>> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>>
>>
>> His argument falls short when it is applied to the so called
>> inventions of Gaviotas, especially to the "sleeve pump". A pump is a
>> pump. If it works one place, it will work almost any place and yet
>> nobody in the years since the book came out has ever seen one, not
>> even detailed plans for one. It is a dumb idea and I doubt that there
>> is or ever was any such thing.  Dave Johnson
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Heath Synnestvedt" <thapeloheath at gmail.com>
>> To: <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:21 PM
>> Subject: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>>
>>
>>> Welcome!
>>> I don't speak French (yet) though i was born in Canada. Yo si aprendi
>
>>> espanol en sudamerica, pero aqui en esta lista se usa primeramente el
>
>>> Ingles. Like you i was captivated by Alan Weisman's book, and this
>>> past May i had the privilege of meeting Paulo Lugari in Philadelphia.
>>> Your paragraph below:
>>>>Pienso tambien que necesitamos inventar para el nuevo siglo, un tipo
>>>>de
>>> sociedad diferente. Una communedad como Gaviotas, aunque no siendo la
>
>>> unica de este tipo, represente un modelo interesante de experimento.
>>>  ...represents a beautiful accord with what i heard Sr. Lugari
>>> emphasizing
>>> in his lectures and conversations: The current state of human
> development
>>> on
>>> this planet is at a point where wake-up calls are well worth acting
> upon,
>>> and Gaviotas is just one model of a community creating itself as a
>>> distinct
>>> organism separate from the prevailing (unhealthy) trends.
>>>  A great number of the questions asked of this man were of what
>>> recommendations he would make for this or that situation. His
> consistent
>>> answer came with a good-humored smile. Gaviotas came into being in
> the
>>> desolate tropical plains of a country at war with itself. How to
>>> replicate
>>> the way Gaviotas operates in Philadelphia? The specific solutions do
> not
>>> apply in this context. It is the model of respecting everyone's
>>> contribution, decentralization of power and authority and the
> creative
>>> generation of local solutions to local challenges: this is what he
> urges
>>> us
>>> to do. Sr. Lugari assures us that although he is seen as the
> mouthpiece
>>> for
>>> Gaviotas and he was instrumental in founding it, he is an ordinary
> member
>>> of
>>> the group, not it's head or leader. "Leaders are for mediocre
> societies,"
>>> he
>>> said on a Sunday session.
>>>
>>> Lest i get shunned or worse (it is voting day tomorrow here in the
>>> U.S.) allow me to say that i love taking direction from someone i
>>> really deeply respect, and i enjoy asking people to do things too. On
>
>>> principle, then, I don't see this as a mark of a mediocre society as
>>> it would seem Lugari is saying. Where it really rings true to me is
>>> when force or threats of violence are employed by a leader to coerce
>>> those who follow. Then, surely,
>>> it is a mediocre society at best.
>>>
>>> This list is as you heard a great place to come into contact with
>>> people who are in this field of renewable energy systems. I am
>>> currently more of a student of life, love and wisdom than a
>>> professional in any field, but i have met several of those on here
>>> too! I suggest putting out a simplified resume/vision message on here
>
>>> that may attract the attention of someone looking for a graduate of
>>> such a program as you have been doing. There are
>>> countless opportunities available! Be specific and the right one will
>
>>> open
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> Be well,
>>> Heath Emanuel Synnestvedt
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