[Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!

[Dave Johnson]

But, it is a dumb idea. That's why nobody in the hundreds of years 
reciprocating pumps have been around has ever built one where the sleeve 
moves and the plunger is stationary. I'll bet you nobody at Gaviotas ever 
made one either and that's why we've never seen one from there. I think 
Weisman was either taken in or he just got it wrong. Lugari should either 
admit the pump is a hoax or produce one. He's done neither to my knowledge.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Caleb Frase" <CalebFrase at communityproducts.com>
To: "'Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their 
technologies, philosophy, etc'" <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!


> Dave Johnson
> A pump is a pump, I have to say that the sleeve pump concept is easy 
> enough to imagine for anyone with a little practical background. A friend 
> of mine built a very effective pump using PVC pipe and wooden plungers 
> with leather seals. It was powered by a see-saw motion, done with two hand 
> levers at shoulder height. I thought it was a great concept and suggested 
> that he expand it and create a stepper and a bike. The potential to do 
> something useful while burning calories seemed attractive.
> Deriding ideas as being dumb doesn't help anyone.
> -Caleb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com
> [mailto:gaviotas-bounces at greenbuilder.com]On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:22 PM
> To: Discussion relating to Gaviotas village in Colombia, their
> technologies, philosophy, etc
> Subject: Re: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>
>
> His argument falls short when it is applied to the so called inventions of
> Gaviotas, especially to the "sleeve pump". A pump is a pump. If it works 
> one
> place, it will work almost any place and yet nobody in the years since the
> book came out has ever seen one, not even detailed plans for one. It is a
> dumb idea and I doubt that there is or ever was any such thing.  Dave
> Johnson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Heath Synnestvedt" <thapeloheath at gmail.com>
> To: <gaviotas at greenbuilder.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:21 PM
> Subject: [Gaviotas] Bienvenue Manfred!
>
>
>> Welcome!
>> I don't speak French (yet) though i was born in Canada. Yo si aprendi
>> espanol en sudamerica, pero aqui en esta lista se usa primeramente el
>> Ingles.
>> Like you i was captivated by Alan Weisman's book, and this past May i had
>> the privilege of meeting Paulo Lugari in Philadelphia.
>> Your paragraph below:
>>>Pienso tambien que necesitamos inventar para el nuevo siglo, un tipo de
>> sociedad diferente. Una communedad como Gaviotas, aunque no siendo la
>> unica
>> de este tipo, represente un modelo interesante de experimento.
>>  ...represents a beautiful accord with what i heard Sr. Lugari 
>> emphasizing
>> in his lectures and conversations: The current state of human development
>> on
>> this planet is at a point where wake-up calls are well worth acting upon,
>> and Gaviotas is just one model of a community creating itself as a
>> distinct
>> organism separate from the prevailing (unhealthy) trends.
>>  A great number of the questions asked of this man were of what
>> recommendations he would make for this or that situation. His consistent
>> answer came with a good-humored smile. Gaviotas came into being in the
>> desolate tropical plains of a country at war with itself. How to 
>> replicate
>> the way Gaviotas operates in Philadelphia? The specific solutions do not
>> apply in this context. It is the model of respecting everyone's
>> contribution, decentralization of power and authority and the creative
>> generation of local solutions to local challenges: this is what he urges
>> us
>> to do. Sr. Lugari assures us that although he is seen as the mouthpiece
>> for
>> Gaviotas and he was instrumental in founding it, he is an ordinary member
>> of
>> the group, not it's head or leader. "Leaders are for mediocre societies,"
>> he
>> said on a Sunday session.
>>
>> Lest i get shunned or worse (it is voting day tomorrow here in the U.S.)
>> allow me to say that i love taking direction from someone i really deeply
>> respect, and i enjoy asking people to do things too. On principle, then, 
>> I
>> don't see this as a mark of a mediocre society as it would seem Lugari is
>> saying. Where it really rings true to me is when force or threats of
>> violence are employed by a leader to coerce those who follow. Then,
>> surely,
>> it is a mediocre society at best.
>>
>> This list is as you heard a great place to come into contact with people
>> who
>> are in this field of renewable energy systems. I am currently more of a
>> student of life, love and wisdom than a professional in any field, but i
>> have met several of those on here too! I suggest putting out a simplified
>> resume/vision message on here that may attract the attention of someone
>> looking for a graduate of such a program as you have been doing. There 
>> are
>> countless opportunities available! Be specific and the right one will 
>> open
>> for you.
>>
>> Be well,
>> Heath Emanuel Synnestvedt
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